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Ralf Mardorf-4
On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 01:02:54 +0200, Rob Til Freedmen wrote:
>... for these long outdated packages?
>
>https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=-last_update&q=&maintainer=schiv&flagged=Flagged
>
>https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=-last_update&q=&maintainer=speps&flagged=Flagged

Hi,

the real problem IMO is, that we don't have an active Arch audio
mailing list anymore. Yesterday and today I missuesed AUR comments as a
replacement for the Arch audio mailing list. If we would have an active
audio related Arch mailing list, we could help each other to update
packages.

Regards,
Ralf

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arch general mailing list-2
On 13/10/17, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 01:02:54 +0200, Rob Til Freedmen wrote:
> >... for these long outdated packages?
> >
> >https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=-last_update&q=&maintainer=schiv&flagged=Flagged
> >
> >https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=-last_update&q=&maintainer=speps&flagged=Flagged

Hello,

I can adopt few if they drop to AUR (of if I get sponsor to apply for a
TU).

Regards,
Leonidas

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Re: Can we please have a co-maintainer ...

arch general mailing list-2
On 13.10.2017 09:01, Leonidas Spyropoulos via arch-general wrote:

> On 13/10/17, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 01:02:54 +0200, Rob Til Freedmen wrote:
>>> ... for these long outdated packages?
>>>
>>> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=-last_update&q=&maintainer=schiv&flagged=Flagged
>>>
>>> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=-last_update&q=&maintainer=speps&flagged=Flagged
> Hello,
>
> I can adopt few if they drop to AUR (of if I get sponsor to apply for a
> TU).
>
> Regards,
> Leonidas
>

Hello,

I would do the same for a few of that listed packages under the same
circumstances (a drop to AUR or finding a sponsor to apply for a TU). My
current packages in AUR are listed here:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&SeB=m&K=nullptr_t&outdated=&SB=n&SO=a&PP=50&do_Search=Go
.

If I would get a sponsor for applying as a TU, I would like to migrate
plymouth (no AUR dependencies) to [community] or [extra], when current
issues are patched. It is widely used and got a recent update from
upstream (even if I think, the next update from upstream will take a
while, most of my releases address community issues).

Also, I'd like to have an audio mailing list (wether official or not)
for discussion on that audio packages.

Regards,
Sebastian
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Re: Can we please have a co-maintainer ...

Antonio Rojas-2
El Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:35:21 +0200, Sebastian Lau via arch-general
escribió:

>> Hello,
>>
>> I can adopt few if they drop to AUR (of if I get sponsor to apply for a
>> TU).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Leonidas
>>
>>
> Hello,
>
> I would do the same for a few of that listed packages under the same
> circumstances (a drop to AUR or finding a sponsor to apply for a TU). My
> current packages in AUR are listed here:
> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?
O=0&SeB=m&K=nullptr_t&outdated=&SB=n&SO=a&PP=50&do_Search=Go
> .

I suggest you guys contact schiv or speps directly about the possibility
of sponsoring you to help comaintain the audio packages in [community]. I
agree that the current situation is really bad, with both maintainers
partially (one of them totally) inactive.
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Re: Can we please have a co-maintainer ...

Jelle van der Waa-2
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Hi,

On 10/13/17 at 10:35am, Sebastian Lau via arch-general wrote:
> On 13.10.2017 09:01, Leonidas Spyropoulos via arch-general wrote:
> > On 13/10/17, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 01:02:54 +0200, Rob Til Freedmen wrote:
> >>> ... for these long outdated packages?
> >>>
> >>> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=-last_update&q=&maintainer=schiv&flagged=Flagged
> >>>
> >>> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=-last_update&q=&maintainer=speps&flagged=Flagged
> > Hello,

As a Dev/TU I refrain from updating these outdated flagged packages, since I
have no idea how to test and check if it works. The packages are a quite
specific nice.

> > I can adopt few if they drop to AUR (of if I get sponsor to apply for a
> > TU).

It would be nice, if someone with audio packaging experience and real life user
would join the team.

<snip>

> I would do the same for a few of that listed packages under the same
> circumstances (a drop to AUR or finding a sponsor to apply for a TU). My
> current packages in AUR are listed here:
> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&SeB=m&K=nullptr_t&outdated=&SB=n&SO=a&PP=50&do_Search=Go
> .
>
> If I would get a sponsor for applying as a TU, I would like to migrate
> plymouth (no AUR dependencies) to [community] or [extra], when current
> issues are patched. It is widely used and got a recent update from
> upstream (even if I think, the next update from upstream will take a
> while, most of my releases address community issues).
A Tu can't access [extra] btw.

> Also, I'd like to have an audio mailing list (wether official or not)
> for discussion on that audio packages.

You're free to setup one or extend the wiki :-)

I would advice you both to find a TU to sponsor you!

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Re: Can we please have a co-maintainer ...

arch general mailing list-2
On 13.10.2017 11:14, Jelle van der Waa wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 10/13/17 at 10:35am, Sebastian Lau via arch-general wrote:
>> On 13.10.2017 09:01, Leonidas Spyropoulos via arch-general wrote:
>>> On 13/10/17, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 01:02:54 +0200, Rob Til Freedmen wrote:
>>>>> ... for these long outdated packages?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=-last_update&q=&maintainer=schiv&flagged=Flagged
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=-last_update&q=&maintainer=speps&flagged=Flagged
>>> Hello,
> As a Dev/TU I refrain from updating these outdated flagged packages, since I
> have no idea how to test and check if it works. The packages are a quite
> specific nice.
>
>>> I can adopt few if they drop to AUR (of if I get sponsor to apply for a
>>> TU).
> It would be nice, if someone with audio packaging experience and real life user
> would join the team.

Hi,

I also record music without publishing (with UbuntuStudio until now,
which includes a superset of that packages), so I'd be in stand to test
the functionality of that packages.

Regards,
Sebastian
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Re: Can we please have a co-maintainer ...

David Runge
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Hey all,

On October 13, 2017 11:08:21 AM GMT+02:00, Antonio Rojas <[hidden email]> wrote:

>El Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:35:21 +0200, Sebastian Lau via arch-general
>escribió:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I can adopt few if they drop to AUR (of if I get sponsor to apply
>for a
>>> TU).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Leonidas
>>>
>>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would do the same for a few of that listed packages under the same
>> circumstances (a drop to AUR or finding a sponsor to apply for a TU).
I too would like to help out and apply for TU if possible. Wrote to schiv for that, but he seems very busy.
At least liblo 0.29 is now pushed to testing, happy to see that  :-)
In any case, I think it would be very much preferable to keep all those packages in community and not have them drop to AUR.


>My
>> current packages in AUR are listed here:
>> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?
>O=0&SeB=m&K=nullptr_t&outdated=&SB=n&SO=a&PP=50&do_Search=Go
>> .
Mine are here:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&SeB=m&K=dvzrv&outdated=&SB=n&SO=a&PP=50&do_Search=Go
(Some outdated, on vacation right now).

>I suggest you guys contact schiv or speps directly about the
>possibility
>of sponsoring you to help comaintain the audio packages in [community].
>I
>agree that the current situation is really bad, with both maintainers
>partially (one of them totally) inactive.
From my attempts to contact speps (no reply through mail or xmpp over several months), I would suggest moving all of his packages to the hands of other maintainers asap.

+1 for a mailing list.

Best,
David

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Re: Can we please have a co-maintainer ...

arch general mailing list-2
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [arch-general] Can we please have a co-maintainer ...
> Local Time: October 13, 2017 9:01 AM
> UTC Time: October 13, 2017 7:01 AM
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Leonidas Spyropoulos <[hidden email]>
>
> On 13/10/17, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 01:02:54 +0200, Rob Til Freedmen wrote:
>> >... for these long outdated packages?
>> >
>> >https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=-last_update&q=&maintainer=schiv&flagged=Flagged
>> >
>> >https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=-last_update&q=&maintainer=speps&flagged=Flagged
>
> Hello,
>
> I can adopt few if they drop to AUR (of if I get sponsor to apply for a
> TU).
>
> Regards,
> Leonidas
>
> --
> Leonidas Spyropoulos
>
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is it such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

Maybe there should be rule for automatic orphaning packages that are flagged for more than 6 months? With notification for maintainer couple of days before. After that if no one is interested in adopting them for some additional time they could be moved to AUR. Having long time outdated packages do more harm than not having them at all in repos as they can't be served in AUR and users have to deal with them on their own.

Jordan
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Re: Can we please have a co-maintainer ...

Mark Raynsford
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On 2017-10-13T01:02:54 +0200
Rob Til Freedmen via arch-general <[hidden email]> wrote:

> ... for these long outdated packages?
>
> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=-last_update&q=&maintainer=schiv&flagged=Flagged
>
> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?sort=-last_update&q=&maintainer=speps&flagged=Flagged

I use Ardour daily. I'd like to volunteer to help, but I'm not sure
what's involved.

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Re: Can we please have a co-maintainer ...

David Runge
On October 13, 2017 2:02:42 PM GMT+02:00, Mark Raynsford <[hidden email]> wrote:
>I use Ardour daily. I'd like to volunteer to help, but I'm not sure
>what's involved.
In the case of Ardour luckily not much (see the other relevant thread on that topic).

Generally, I would love to see a set of maintainers responsible for audio relevant packages, to better compensate the unavailability of one or more.
I understand, that pro-audio on Linux is somewhat niche and therefore also niche on Arch.
However since archaudio is dead, it would be great to have pro-audio packages in the main repositories.
IMHO the Arch wiki and an additional mailing list would be sufficient to deal with its purposes.

Best,
David

P.S.: Now that I'm done with my thesis I start having a life and more time for such things again ;-)

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Re: Can we please have a co-maintainer ...

Rashif Ray Rahman
On 13 October 2017 at 18:56, David Runge <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On October 13, 2017 2:02:42 PM GMT+02:00, Mark Raynsford <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>I use Ardour daily. I'd like to volunteer to help, but I'm not sure
>>what's involved.
> In the case of Ardour luckily not much (see the other relevant thread on that topic).
>
> Generally, I would love to see a set of maintainers responsible for audio relevant packages, to better compensate the unavailability of one or more.
> I understand, that pro-audio on Linux is somewhat niche and therefore also niche on Arch.
> However since archaudio is dead, it would be great to have pro-audio packages in the main repositories.
> IMHO the Arch wiki and an additional mailing list would be sufficient to deal with its purposes.
>
> Best,
> David
>
> P.S.: Now that I'm done with my thesis I start having a life and more time for such things again ;-)
>
> --
> https://sleepmap.de

Hello Folks!

So, I am attacking a few points scattered throughout this thread:

- It is true that I have been partially available for a long time, and
Speps has been totally inactive.

- It is true that even stuff I consider important myself gets updated
not sooner than a month after release on average so far.

- It is true that it serves no-one to delay updates in a
rolling-release distribution and gives a bad impression of the team
and inconveniences users.

- Other developers and TUs are welcome to build and test my packages,
and folks like Antonio have done that. It only gets to a problem when
something doesn't build or work, and that's where it helps to have
experience and familiarity with the niche topic of the packages
(pro-audio).

- I still believe my extra packages I can somehow continue to update
myself, as there has been talk about new servers which would make my
life easier (sometimes my network latencies are so high to the build
server I have to just quit and go do something else)

- My other problem is hardware and lack of time to set up my machine
properly (that's why I am on Windows, and making do with Git Bash to
be productive, but I am fully productive on my Linux box so I am
definitely going to be active again at some point)

- It is NOT true that there is no pro-audio community. ArchAudio was
just inactive because nobody stepped up to take over maintenance from
me. It had a fully functioning website, forums, mailing list, and
partially functioning packaging machine (I couldn't keep up the CentOS
machine with the Arch changes). The admin Jon Kristian even was
willing to spare the necessary infrastructure (he got a new Arch
machine for us). People seemed to not want such a platform and
advocated the AUR as being sufficient (see also LinuxMusicians
forums). So if there's renewed interest, I can contact Jon again for a
revival.

- I am more than happy to sponsor a TU, at least in place of Speps
(btw, if Speps has not participated in TU voting, why hasn't the
removal not been initiated?). So far I see we have two expressions of
interest from David and Sebastian. David approached me some time ago
but I have yet to reply. I am not sure it would be wise to sponsor
more than one at a time, so I'll decide on some arbitrary objective
and subjective metrics :)

Thank you all for your support!

Best,
Ray

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Giancarlo Razzolini-2
Em outubro 13, 2017 10:25 Rashif Ray Rahman escreveu:
>
> - I still believe my extra packages I can somehow continue to update
> myself, as there has been talk about new servers which would make my
> life easier (sometimes my network latencies are so high to the build
> server I have to just quit and go do something else)
>

We do have machines in many more places now, but they are mainly being
used as mirrors currently. Also, they don't have the same hardware as
the soyuz does. Having said that, some of them will be used for building
as well, so it's more a matter of finding the closest one to you (or with
the smallest amount of latency) and preparing it for receiving builds.

Regards,
Giancarlo Razzolini

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arch general mailing list-2
ray rashif , i thank you for your job around ardour , that i really
use daily. In the last two years i've lost the pleasure of using your
package, out to date for 10 mounths in a row too. I email you sometime
in two years to tell you if you need help for testing/mantain an
update arch ardour package. I totally agree to help (i renew my
availability) about test/mantain ardour package, about a dedicated
mailing list and i hope a very soon solution to unblock ardour's
status and other audio packages.

2017-10-13 15:57 GMT+02:00, Giancarlo Razzolini <[hidden email]>:

> Em outubro 13, 2017 10:25 Rashif Ray Rahman escreveu:
>>
>> - I still believe my extra packages I can somehow continue to update
>> myself, as there has been talk about new servers which would make my
>> life easier (sometimes my network latencies are so high to the build
>> server I have to just quit and go do something else)
>>
>
> We do have machines in many more places now, but they are mainly being
> used as mirrors currently. Also, they don't have the same hardware as
> the soyuz does. Having said that, some of them will be used for building
> as well, so it's more a matter of finding the closest one to you (or with
> the smallest amount of latency) and preparing it for receiving builds.
>
> Regards,
> Giancarlo Razzolini
>
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Re: Can we please have a co-maintainer ...

Ralf Mardorf-4
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On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 19:25:37 +0600, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:

>It is NOT true that there is no pro-audio community. ArchAudio was
>just inactive because nobody stepped up to take over maintenance from
>me. It had a fully functioning website, forums, mailing list, and
>partially functioning packaging machine (I couldn't keep up the CentOS
>machine with the Arch changes). The admin Jon Kristian even was
>willing to spare the necessary infrastructure (he got a new Arch
>machine for us). People seemed to not want such a platform and
>advocated the AUR as being sufficient (see also LinuxMusicians
>forums). So if there's renewed interest, I can contact Jon again for a
>revival.

Hi,

I was interested to take over Arch audio, but due to an awkward duty
roster I had and still have got no time to do it. I should have got
enough time to moderate an audio mailing list, but without
having experiences with (mailman) administration.

Regards,
Ralf
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arch general mailing list-2
Guys,

Great to see this brought up here.

I've been using Ardour 5.12 for quite a while now, along with recent
versions of some of the other packages listed. To be honest I've been
a little bit self-centered, checking out and updating packages to my
benefit using ABS.

So I take this opportunity to volunteer as co-mantainer for ardour,
swh-plugins, hydrogen, zita-resampler, qtractor, qjackctl, qsynth,
jack2, and jack2-dbus.

I know one pre-requisite is to "maintain a few packages in AUR" and I
have none. But I can set up some (or at least one package) if this is
a hard rule.


Regards
Marc

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Ralf Mardorf <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Oct 2017 19:25:37 +0600, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
>>It is NOT true that there is no pro-audio community. ArchAudio was
>>just inactive because nobody stepped up to take over maintenance from
>>me. It had a fully functioning website, forums, mailing list, and
>>partially functioning packaging machine (I couldn't keep up the CentOS
>>machine with the Arch changes). The admin Jon Kristian even was
>>willing to spare the necessary infrastructure (he got a new Arch
>>machine for us). People seemed to not want such a platform and
>>advocated the AUR as being sufficient (see also LinuxMusicians
>>forums). So if there's renewed interest, I can contact Jon again for a
>>revival.
>
> Hi,
>
> I was interested to take over Arch audio, but due to an awkward duty
> roster I had and still have got no time to do it. I should have got
> enough time to moderate an audio mailing list, but without
> having experiences with (mailman) administration.
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
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Rashif Ray Rahman
On 14 October 2017 at 01:58, Marcelo "Marc" Ranolfi via arch-general
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Guys,
>
> Great to see this brought up here.
>
> I've been using Ardour 5.12 for quite a while now, along with recent
> versions of some of the other packages listed. To be honest I've been
> a little bit self-centered, checking out and updating packages to my
> benefit using ABS.
>
> So I take this opportunity to volunteer as co-mantainer for ardour,
> swh-plugins, hydrogen, zita-resampler, qtractor, qjackctl, qsynth,
> jack2, and jack2-dbus.
>
> I know one pre-requisite is to "maintain a few packages in AUR" and I
> have none. But I can set up some (or at least one package) if this is
> a hard rule.

Thanks for your support and interest. As I already have more than one
proposal we can consider it taken care of, for packages in community.
I will see how we can set up a dedicated mailing list since that's
what folks seem to prefer here.

But I need another volunteer to administer and maintain an ML and
anything else that you guys would like (forums, website, build
machine, etc). I believe then the constant user feedback loop will
help all of us keep packages and other stuff up-to-date and tested.

I will continue to maintain packages for extra and a few in community
with a co-maintainer to help me (because I use them personally when I
am booted into my Linux system). That co-maintainer can then also
request another developer to apply changes in extra for any package
that I am late in updating.

Please let me know if this sounds like a plan.

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Rashif Ray Rahman
On 14 October 2017 at 06:51, Rashif Ray Rahman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks for your support and interest. As I already have more than one
> proposal we can consider it taken care of, for packages in community.
> I will see how we can set up a dedicated mailing list since that's
> what folks seem to prefer here.
>
> But I need another volunteer to administer and maintain an ML and
> anything else that you guys would like (forums, website, build
> machine, etc). I believe then the constant user feedback loop will
> help all of us keep packages and other stuff up-to-date and tested.
>
> I will continue to maintain packages for extra and a few in community
> with a co-maintainer to help me (because I use them personally when I
> am booted into my Linux system). That co-maintainer can then also
> request another developer to apply changes in extra for any package
> that I am late in updating.
>
> Please let me know if this sounds like a plan.

To add on...

Presently we have TU interest from (in order of date of contact with me):

- David Runge (approached me personally, contacted me in the past with
contributions)
- Leonidas Spyropoulos (approached me personally, but not a pro-audio user)
- Sebastian Lau (pro-audio user, similar AUR activity as David)
- Mark Raynsford (packaging experience unknown)
- Marcelo "Marc" Ranolfi (no existing AUR packages)

And I also know these folks as active pro-audio users for some time now:

- Ralf Mardorf (always saw the name in linux-audio ML, active
pro-audio user and thinker)
- Rob Til Freedmen (contacted me as far back as 2012, active pro-audio
user and contributor)

There is another co-conspirator who used to lurk with me on #archaudio
and still maintains aur/linux-rt which I gave up a long time ago:

- Joakim Hernberg

I know these folks are very eager and helpful testers who provide
feedback and try to contribute:

- Insight Thekrab

I am sorry if I missed anyone or any specifics. However, I cannot
obviously sponsor everyone for TU candidacy or even know if some of
them will be interested. I will stick to _one_ sponsorship for the
purpose of helping with the pro-audio niche.

I am therefore making a decision based on who approached me directly
with interest to become a TU, with a record of contributions. Based on
that, I conclude that David will be better placed to apply for this,
but I do not have the time to check packaging-fu.

Anyone is free to contact another dev or TU to apply for general
package maintenance or to fill other areas. And, there is still need
for administrative volunteers in case I can procure an ML (if
unofficial), but that is based on what else you folks will like to
have.

To David, Sebastian, Rob and anyone else curious: I would like to know
your opinion on Hydrogen. It made a release some time ago but its lrdf
support with raptor2 was broken. [1]

I could (i) backport all changes as a non-trivial patch (because it
doesn't apply cleanly), (ii) move to a -git package making us track an
unstable build, or (iii) keep it out-of-date until upstream makes a
release. Let me know what you would do.

[1] https://github.com/hydrogen-music/hydrogen/issues/496


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David Runge
Hey all,

On October 14, 2017 4:10:15 AM GMT+02:00, Rashif Ray Rahman <[hidden email]> wrote:

>On 14 October 2017 at 06:51, Rashif Ray Rahman <[hidden email]>
>wrote:
>> Thanks for your support and interest. As I already have more than one
>> proposal we can consider it taken care of, for packages in community.
>> I will see how we can set up a dedicated mailing list since that's
>> what folks seem to prefer here.
>>
>> But I need another volunteer to administer and maintain an ML and
>> anything else that you guys would like (forums, website, build
>> machine, etc). I believe then the constant user feedback loop will
>> help all of us keep packages and other stuff up-to-date and tested.
>>
>> I will continue to maintain packages for extra and a few in community
>> with a co-maintainer to help me (because I use them personally when I
>> am booted into my Linux system). That co-maintainer can then also
>> request another developer to apply changes in extra for any package
>> that I am late in updating.
>>
>> Please let me know if this sounds like a plan.
Yes.
But also: are you thinking of a separate forum? Could this not be better dealt with within bbs?

>To add on...
>
>Presently we have TU interest from (in order of date of contact with
>me):
>
>- David Runge (approached me personally, contacted me in the past with
>contributions)
>- Leonidas Spyropoulos (approached me personally, but not a pro-audio
>user)
>- Sebastian Lau (pro-audio user, similar AUR activity as David)
>- Mark Raynsford (packaging experience unknown)
>- Marcelo "Marc" Ranolfi (no existing AUR packages)
>
>And I also know these folks as active pro-audio users for some time
>now:
>
>- Ralf Mardorf (always saw the name in linux-audio ML, active
>pro-audio user and thinker)
>- Rob Til Freedmen (contacted me as far back as 2012, active pro-audio
>user and contributor)
>
>There is another co-conspirator who used to lurk with me on #archaudio
>and still maintains aur/linux-rt which I gave up a long time ago:
>
>- Joakim Hernberg
Very important one! :-)


>I am therefore making a decision based on who approached me directly
>with interest to become a TU, with a record of contributions. Based on
>that, I conclude that David will be better placed to apply for this,
>but I do not have the time to check packaging-fu.
I'd be happy to do it.
Give me until Tuesday, as I'm currently still on vacation with spotty internet access.
Can't properly test my out-of-dates until then ;-)

>To David, Sebastian, Rob and anyone else curious: I would like to know
>your opinion on Hydrogen. It made a release some time ago but its lrdf
>support with raptor2 was broken. [1]
>
>I could (i) backport all changes as a non-trivial patch (because it
>doesn't apply cleanly), (ii) move to a -git package making us track an
>unstable build, or (iii) keep it out-of-date until upstream makes a
>release. Let me know what you would do.
Hmm, looking at the changes [1], I'd say (i), but that's me writing from a phone (and acknowledging that it's probably not the Arch way ;-) ).
It shouldn't be too hard for them to go for a new release, but judging from their cycle I'd assume that's not any time soon (so better not go for iii).
ii might lead to a new 'epoch' and other undesired side effects (instability, higher maintenance).

Best,
David

[1] https://github.com/hydrogen-music/hydrogen/pull/508/files


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Re: Can we please have a co-maintainer ...

Ralf Mardorf-4
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On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 08:10:15 +0600, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
>> I need another volunteer to administer and maintain an ML and
>> anything else that you guys would like (forums, website, build
>> machine, etc).

Hi,

I'm willing to moderate the mailing list, but don't know how long it
would take to learn everything about maintaining a mailing list.
It at least is good documented https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ .

"Anything else" probably would be too much for my missing skills.

>> I believe then the constant user feedback loop will help all of us
>> keep packages and other stuff up-to-date and tested.

Beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Regards,
Ralf

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