Re: Yes you have standing to sue GRSecurity - Two options that can be used in concert or separately

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Re: Yes you have standing to sue GRSecurity - Two options that can be used in concert or separately

nisus
Thank you Mr. Rankin for saying this. Bruce Perens blocked me* (also
calling me a "fool" later to a 3rd party) after I started to brainstorm
the defenses that would be raised about a week or two ago: letting
everyone in the world know what he thought of me for mentioning laches
etc.

Such talk is naivete to him and he "doesn't suffer fools willingly".

Brainstorming what defenses the opposition will raise is the thinking of
a naive fool according to Bruce Perens.

I also noticed that Bruce Perens friend Professor Moglen hasn't
commented, instead opting to sit and silently judge, but I did bring up
the fact that GPL v2 lacks a no-revocation clause, thus (barring
estopple) said license can be revoked at any time by the grantor. Which
is the actual reason v3 of the GPL needed to be drafted (the patents
issue being a foil). I guess Professor Moglen (RMS, ESR) and the rest
don't want too many people to know about that part either and thus would
rather downplay anything else I have written.

To be clear: Rights-Holders can sue GRSecurity for the copyright
violation stemming from the flagrant violation of section 6 of the
license. Rights-Holders can also revoke GRSecurity's license to their
code by notice and then sue them if they continue to make derivative
works of said work. So Rights-Holders have two options there at their
disposal.

The GPL v2, by itself, does not give rise to an estopple situation where
there has been no communication to the other party that they relied upon
that the license would never be revoked by Rights-Holder.

The permission flows from the Rights-Holder and not through
intermediaries. Thus even if Linus made communications that HE would
never revoke the permission he has given regarding his works of
authorship, that does not bind other Rights-Holders regarding their
code.


*(  lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/07/msg00830.html )

On 2017-07-30 07:14, David C. Rankin wrote:

> On 07/30/2017 12:55 AM, David Lang wrote:
>> You are thinking of Trademarks, they must be defended or you loose
>> them.
>> Contracts and Licenses do not need to be defended at every chance or
>> risk
>> loosing them.
>
> No, not always, it can apply in plain contract as well. The defenses
> that
> could be later raised by grsecurity if this issue goes unaddressed is
> are (1)
> latches; and (2) waiver. It is a slippery slope. While, without
> commenting on
> the dubious nature of the current use of the defenses (as catch-all,
> kitchen-sink affirmative-defenses), they can be expected to be raised
> if
> rights under GPL to insure no further restrictions are placed on
> subsequent
> use of the kernel-code are not enforced.
>
> I hope there is a centralized forum that will be established for this
> issue
> (there may be and I'm just not smart enough to have found it yet).
> Certainly,
> if for nothing else, so the advantages and disadvantages of both
> action, and
> inaction, can be peer-reviewed on both the legal and technical side.
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Jelle van der Waa-2
On 07/31/17 at 02:46pm, [hidden email] wrote:
> Thank you Mr. Rankin for saying this. Bruce Perens blocked me* (also calling
> me a "fool" later to a 3rd party) after I started to brainstorm the defenses
> that would be raised about a week or two ago: letting everyone in the world
> know what he thought of me for mentioning laches etc.

I'm not sure what you want to achieve by posting this to arch-general,
this issue really does not concern Arch Linux and I would argue it is out
off scope for this mailing list.

Secondly I would really appreciate if you left your personal grudges
with whomever to yourself.

--
Jelle van der Waa

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On 2017年07月31日 17時07分, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
>I'm not sure what you want to achieve by posting this to arch-general,
>this issue really does not concern Arch Linux and I would argue it is out
>off scope for this mailing list.

I differ in opinion.  The scope of any communications medium is a product of both relevance and importance.  What the original message of this thread lacks in the former, it makes up with the latter.

... The drama *following* the original message, however, is neither relevant nor important.
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Den 1 aug. 2017 06:29 skrev "Grady Martin via arch-general" <
[hidden email]>:

On 2017年07月31日 17時07分, Jelle van der Waa wrote:

> I'm not sure what you want to achieve by posting this to arch-general,
> this issue really does not concern Arch Linux and I would argue it is out
> off scope for this mailing list.
>
Agreed.


I differ in opinion.  The scope of any communications medium is a product
of both relevance and importance.  What the original message of this thread
lacks in the former, it makes up with the latter.

To Arch Linux users, the bulk of this mailing list I would assume, all of
this is completely irrelevant and unimportant as it will not affect them in
any imaginable way.


... The drama *following* the original message, however, is neither
relevant nor important.

The drama is actually more interesting (/me brings popcorn).
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