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TU Application: André Silva

André Silva
Hi all, I'm André Silva (known as Emulatorman) that was one of main
full-time Parabola devs between 2012-2017 [0] maintaining around 800
packages [1], mainly Linux-libre kernels and personal ones such as the
Linux-libre in combination with Knock [2], Grsecurity+Knock [3]. I will
happy to maintain some of my packages with the other TUs and my sponsor
(nicohood) in [community].

The following packages that i would maintain are:

* ath9k-htc-firmware
* linux-libre-firmware
* openfwwf
* linux-libre
* linux-libre-lts

Regards,
André Silva

GPG ID: C92B AA71 3B8D 53D3 CAE6  3FC9 E697 4752 F970 4456

[0]:https://git.parabola.nu/hackers.git/tree/users/1007.yml
[1]:https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2017-April/005094.html
[2]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Knock
[3]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Grsecurity%2BKnock


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Re: TU Application: André Silva

NicoHood-3
On 05/13/2017 06:35 PM, André Silva wrote:

> Hi all, I'm André Silva (known as Emulatorman) that was one of main
> full-time Parabola devs between 2012-2017 [0] maintaining around 800
> packages [1], mainly Linux-libre kernels and personal ones such as the
> Linux-libre in combination with Knock [2], Grsecurity+Knock [3]. I will
> happy to maintain some of my packages with the other TUs and my sponsor
> (nicohood) in [community].
>
> The following packages that i would maintain are:
>
> * ath9k-htc-firmware
> * linux-libre-firmware
> * openfwwf
> * linux-libre
> * linux-libre-lts
>
> Regards,
> André Silva
>
> GPG ID: C92B AA71 3B8D 53D3 CAE6  3FC9 E697 4752 F970 4456
>
> [0]:https://git.parabola.nu/hackers.git/tree/users/1007.yml
> [1]:https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2017-April/005094.html
> [2]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Knock
> [3]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Grsecurity%2BKnock
>
I confirm the sponsorship of Emulatorman. Let the discussion period
begin. Good luck!


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Re: TU Application: André Silva

Christian Rebischke-2
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On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 04:35:37PM +0000, André Silva wrote:
> Hi all, I'm André Silva (known as Emulatorman) that was one of main
> full-time Parabola devs between 2012-2017 [0] maintaining around 800
> packages [..]

Hello Andre,
Can you tell us more about your position at parabola? Why did you quit
the developer job for there and why do you want to be Arch Linux
Trusted User now? This is no offense, I just want to know more about
that part in your history.

Best regards,

Chris

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André Silva
On 05/13/2017 10:24 PM, Christian Rebischke wrote:

> Hello Andre,
> Can you tell us more about your position at parabola? Why did you quit
> the developer job for there and why do you want to be Arch Linux
> Trusted User now? This is no offense, I just want to know more about
> that part in your history.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Chris
>
Hi Chris don't worry about your questions, it isn't a offense. :)

I was one of the full-time Parabola devs there, mainly i've been
maintaining around 90% packages in libre repo [0] and 100% in kernels
[1] and nonprism repos [2][3] for x86_64 and i686 only, except the
kernels packages that were maintained by me for all architectures
supported by Parabola (x86_64, i686 and armv7h).

However a couple days ago, i've posted an email in Parabola's dev lists
about some doubts related to Parabola'd donations [4]

For constants multiple personal attacks (ad hominem), but no substance
[5], causing an unnecessary division and this on going flamewar over
something that should have been simple, i've decided to say goodbye to
Parabola [6]

Currently, i'm dedicating my life to my family and friends than ever
before, however i would at least continuing maintaining some of my
kernels such as linux-libre and linux-libre-lts in Arch as TU in
[community] for the benefit of Arch the same as other Arch-based distros.

Regards,
André

[0]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Repositories#libre
[1]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Repositories#kernels
[2]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Repositories#nonprism
[3]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Nonprism
[4]:https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2017-April/004848.html
[5]:https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2017-April/004954.html
[6]:https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2017-April/005022.html


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Re: TU Application: André Silva

Bartłomiej Piotrowski-3
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On 2017-05-13 18:35, André Silva wrote:
> * linux-libre
> * linux-libre-lts

The drama aside, why should we want to include a libre kernel in
repositories, while as a whole, we don't really care about it? We
package Flash, proprietary blobs for kernel, nvidia drivers, repackage
projectsfrom prebuilt tarballs, pull non-free assets for games and so
on. I really can't see this application in any other way than trying to
annoy Parabola, even if you don't intend to be malicious.

Bartłomiej


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Re: TU Application: André Silva

Jelle van der Waa-2
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On 05/13/17 at 11:35pm, André Silva wrote:

> On 05/13/2017 10:24 PM, Christian Rebischke wrote:
> > Hello Andre,
> > Can you tell us more about your position at parabola? Why did you quit
> > the developer job for there and why do you want to be Arch Linux
> > Trusted User now? This is no offense, I just want to know more about
> > that part in your history.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
> Hi Chris don't worry about your questions, it isn't a offense. :)
Thanks for being so open about it, I appreciate it!

> Currently, i'm dedicating my life to my family and friends than ever
> before, however i would at least continuing maintaining some of my
> kernels such as linux-libre and linux-libre-lts in Arch as TU in
> [community] for the benefit of Arch the same as other Arch-based distros.

Personally I have mixed feelings about yet another kernel in our
repository's. I'm also wondering if you want to bring in more -libre
packages? (And therfore making parabola obsolete).

I'm fine with the current split between Arch and Parabola, since it
makes it clear where Arch stands :)

--
Jelle van der Waa

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Re: TU Application: André Silva

NicoHood-3
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On 05/15/2017 01:12 PM, Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote:

> On 2017-05-13 18:35, André Silva wrote:
>> * linux-libre
>> * linux-libre-lts
>
> The drama aside, why should we want to include a libre kernel in
> repositories, while as a whole, we don't really care about it? We
> package Flash, proprietary blobs for kernel, nvidia drivers, repackage
> projectsfrom prebuilt tarballs, pull non-free assets for games and so
> on. I really can't see this application in any other way than trying to
> annoy Parabola, even if you don't intend to be malicious.
>
> Bartłomiej
>
Because there are people who don't use (much) proprietary software and
still want to benefit from Arch. We are not only a free distribution but
I think its a nice addition to have free kernels available. Also another
kernel maintainer can make the normal kernel testing faster than it is
now. I appreciate the work on free software and we should give users the
freedom of choice.


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tur-users mailing list
On 05/15/2017 10:43 AM, NicoHood wrote:
> Because there are people who don't use (much) proprietary software and
> still want to benefit from Arch. We are not only a free distribution but
> I think its a nice addition to have free kernels available. Also another
> kernel maintainer can make the normal kernel testing faster than it is
> now. I appreciate the work on free software and we should give users the
> freedom of choice.

Not sure I understand this.

Anyone who chooses to use a libre kernel is presumably doing so because
they believe in a moral argument against the use of proprietary blobs of
any sort.
It can be assumed that such a person doesn't want to use any of the
other proprietary blobs we ship in the repos... however, it is not as
though we somehow care about distinguishing between them, so anyone who
chooses to use our repos would have to do a fair amount of work to
*protect themselves against* the natural behavior of the Arch repos.

Parabola already perfectly fulfills this role on behalf of its users,
and the only real benefit of shipping our own libre stuff is to give it
the official Arch stamp of approval and thereby permit such individuals
to receive support from the official Arch support Fora.


As far as kernels go, I don't see how shipping another kernel and
dividing our current users between 4 kernels instead of three kernels is
supposed to make testing and signoffs of the three we have right now, go
any faster. If anything, we will have some number less eyes on the stock
kernel, ensuring we are less likely to catch errors with its specific
configuration.
One doesn't need to have push access to the package repositories in
order to test the kernel...

...

Obviously you all can do whatever you want, and maybe there are other
reasons to choose to include André Silva among your number. But from
where I am looking in from the sidelines, I simply don't see what
non-Parabola-specific *values* he intends to bring with him to enhance
the Arch Linux experience.

(From the Wiki)
The minimum requirements to becoming a TU are as follows:
...
    a general idea of the kind of packages you want to maintain
(basically, why do you want to become TU?)

If the answer to that question is merely "to subsume and obsolete
Parabola", then I suddenly start being confused about the general
direction of the Arch Linux project.

I feel sure I must be missing something, somewhere, somehow...

--
Eli Schwartz


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Re: TU Application: André Silva

Jelle van der Waa-2
On 05/15/17 at 11:14am, Eli Schwartz via aur-general wrote:

> On 05/15/2017 10:43 AM, NicoHood wrote:
> > Because there are people who don't use (much) proprietary software and
> > still want to benefit from Arch. We are not only a free distribution but
> > I think its a nice addition to have free kernels available. Also another
> > kernel maintainer can make the normal kernel testing faster than it is
> > now. I appreciate the work on free software and we should give users the
> > freedom of choice.
>
> Not sure I understand this.
>
> Anyone who chooses to use a libre kernel is presumably doing so because
> they believe in a moral argument against the use of proprietary blobs of
> any sort.
> It can be assumed that such a person doesn't want to use any of the
> other proprietary blobs we ship in the repos... however, it is not as
> though we somehow care about distinguishing between them, so anyone who
> chooses to use our repos would have to do a fair amount of work to
> *protect themselves against* the natural behavior of the Arch repos.
>
> Parabola already perfectly fulfills this role on behalf of its users,
> and the only real benefit of shipping our own libre stuff is to give it
> the official Arch stamp of approval and thereby permit such individuals
> to receive support from the official Arch support Fora.
>
>
> As far as kernels go, I don't see how shipping another kernel and
> dividing our current users between 4 kernels instead of three kernels is
> supposed to make testing and signoffs of the three we have right now, go
> any faster. If anything, we will have some number less eyes on the stock
> kernel, ensuring we are less likely to catch errors with its specific
> configuration.
> One doesn't need to have push access to the package repositories in
> order to test the kernel...
>
> ...
>
> Obviously you all can do whatever you want, and maybe there are other
> reasons to choose to include André Silva among your number. But from
> where I am looking in from the sidelines, I simply don't see what
> non-Parabola-specific *values* he intends to bring with him to enhance
> the Arch Linux experience.
>
> (From the Wiki)
> The minimum requirements to becoming a TU are as follows:
> ...
>     a general idea of the kind of packages you want to maintain
> (basically, why do you want to become TU?)
>
> If the answer to that question is merely "to subsume and obsolete
> Parabola", then I suddenly start being confused about the general
> direction of the Arch Linux project.
>
> I feel sure I must be missing something, somewhere, somehow...
>
> --
> Eli Schwartz
>
André, would love to see your response to the questions from Eli and
Brtln.

--
Jelle van der Waa

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Re: TU Application: André Silva

André Silva
On 05/18/2017 11:27 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> André, would love to see your response to the questions from Eli and
> Brtln.
>

Hi Jelle, sorry about the delay to respond those emails, i didn't read
them until now :(

Here I go...

On 05/15/2017 11:12 AM, Bartłomiej Piotrowski wrote:

> On 2017-05-13 18:35, André Silva wrote:
>> * linux-libre
>> * linux-libre-lts
>
> The drama aside, why should we want to include a libre kernel in
> repositories, while as a whole, we don't really care about it? We
> package Flash, proprietary blobs for kernel, nvidia drivers, repackage
> projectsfrom prebuilt tarballs, pull non-free assets for games and so
> on. I really can't see this application in any other way than trying to
> annoy Parabola, even if you don't intend to be malicious.
>
> Bartłomiej
>
Hi Bartłomiej, i wouldn't try annoy Parabola and/or another distro, i
just would maintain linux-libre and linux-libre-lts plus free firmwares
in Arch for those users who loves uses it without blobs. Otherwise, it
will be helpful not only for Arch because Parabola and another distros
will benefit from it since they have a hard work making a lot of
packages [0], not just kernels, then it will save time for them to
maintain their projects too and it is a way to help to Arch and all
Arch-based distros with my contribution :)

[0]:https://git.parabola.nu/abslibre.git/tree/

On 05/15/2017 11:19 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:

> On 05/13/17 at 11:35pm, André Silva wrote:
>> On 05/13/2017 10:24 PM, Christian Rebischke wrote:
>>> Hello Andre,
>>> Can you tell us more about your position at parabola? Why did you quit
>>> the developer job for there and why do you want to be Arch Linux
>>> Trusted User now? This is no offense, I just want to know more about
>>> that part in your history.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>
>> Hi Chris don't worry about your questions, it isn't a offense. :)
>
> Thanks for being so open about it, I appreciate it!
>
>> Currently, i'm dedicating my life to my family and friends than ever
>> before, however i would at least continuing maintaining some of my
>> kernels such as linux-libre and linux-libre-lts in Arch as TU in
>> [community] for the benefit of Arch the same as other Arch-based distros.
>
> Personally I have mixed feelings about yet another kernel in our
> repository's. I'm also wondering if you want to bring in more -libre
> packages? (And therfore making parabola obsolete).
>
> I'm fine with the current split between Arch and Parabola, since it
> makes it clear where Arch stands :)
>
Parabola is really more than a distro that only maintains/deblobs
kernels, you can see in their blacklist [0] and their project [1],
therefore it won't make Parabola obsolete, on the contrary, it will
benefit both (Arch and Parabola) and all Arch-based distros.

Otherwise, i won't maintain more packages than linux-libre{,-lts} and
free firmware in Arch since i have another personal projects too. So i
would just help maintain my kernels in [community] as my contribution
for all users who loves use it.

[0]:https://git.parabola.nu/blacklist.git/plain/blacklist.txt
[1]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Parabola_Social_Contract


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Re: TU Application: André Silva

LoneVVolf
On 18-05-17 18:25, André Silva wrote:
> Otherwise, i won't maintain more packages than linux-libre{,-lts} and
> free firmware in Arch since i have another personal projects too. So i
> would just help maintain my kernels in [community] as my contribution
> for all users who loves use it.
>

Andre.

to me it looks like those goals could be achieved with AUR packages and
an unofficial repo.

What other benefits would you becoming a TU bring for Arch Linux community ?

NOTE : i'm just an AL user


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Re: TU Application: André Silva

NicoHood-3
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On 05/13/2017 06:35 PM, André Silva wrote:

> Hi all, I'm André Silva (known as Emulatorman) that was one of main
> full-time Parabola devs between 2012-2017 [0] maintaining around 800
> packages [1], mainly Linux-libre kernels and personal ones such as the
> Linux-libre in combination with Knock [2], Grsecurity+Knock [3]. I will
> happy to maintain some of my packages with the other TUs and my sponsor
> (nicohood) in [community].
>
> The following packages that i would maintain are:
>
> * ath9k-htc-firmware
> * linux-libre-firmware
> * openfwwf
> * linux-libre
> * linux-libre-lts
>
> Regards,
> André Silva
>
> GPG ID: C92B AA71 3B8D 53D3 CAE6  3FC9 E697 4752 F970 4456
>
> [0]:https://git.parabola.nu/hackers.git/tree/users/1007.yml
> [1]:https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2017-April/005094.html
> [2]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Knock
> [3]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Grsecurity%2BKnock
>
The discussion period is over, please give your vote in the aurweb
Trusted User section:
https://aur.archlinux.org/tu/?id=93


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NicoHood-3
On 05/19/2017 04:18 PM, NicoHood wrote:

> On 05/13/2017 06:35 PM, André Silva wrote:
>> Hi all, I'm André Silva (known as Emulatorman) that was one of main
>> full-time Parabola devs between 2012-2017 [0] maintaining around 800
>> packages [1], mainly Linux-libre kernels and personal ones such as the
>> Linux-libre in combination with Knock [2], Grsecurity+Knock [3]. I will
>> happy to maintain some of my packages with the other TUs and my sponsor
>> (nicohood) in [community].
>>
>> The following packages that i would maintain are:
>>
>> * ath9k-htc-firmware
>> * linux-libre-firmware
>> * openfwwf
>> * linux-libre
>> * linux-libre-lts
>>
>> Regards,
>> André Silva
>>
>> GPG ID: C92B AA71 3B8D 53D3 CAE6  3FC9 E697 4752 F970 4456
>>
>> [0]:https://git.parabola.nu/hackers.git/tree/users/1007.yml
>> [1]:https://lists.parabola.nu/pipermail/dev/2017-April/005094.html
>> [2]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Knock
>> [3]:https://wiki.parabola.nu/Grsecurity%2BKnock
>>
>
> The discussion period is over, please give your vote in the aurweb
> Trusted User section:
> https://aur.archlinux.org/tu/?id=93
>
Yes: 9
No: 27
Abstain: 6
Voted: 91.30%

Result: Rejected

Sorry Emulatorman, the majority of TUs did not vote for you. Maybe next
time. Thanks for your effort on linux-libre and other projects on AUR
and good luck for the future :)

Nico


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André Silva
On 05/27/2017 11:27 AM, NicoHood wrote:
> Sorry Emulatorman, the majority of TUs did not vote for you. Maybe next
> time. Thanks for your effort on linux-libre and other projects on AUR
> and good luck for the future :)
>
> Nico
>

Don't worry Nico, thanks for your sponsorship and support, even all
those TUs participated and voted too. :)

Regards,
André.


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